{"id":7393,"date":"2023-07-15T08:53:27","date_gmt":"2023-07-15T06:53:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/transakcija.si\/old\/?p=7393"},"modified":"2023-10-26T20:16:16","modified_gmt":"2023-10-26T18:16:16","slug":"transpektiva-intervju-z-karmen-das-za-internacionalni-dan-draga","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/transakcija.si\/old\/2023\/07\/15\/transpektiva-intervju-z-karmen-das-za-internacionalni-dan-draga\/","title":{"rendered":"Karmen Da\u0161: &#8220;Drag je umetnost, je aktivizem, je na\u010din izra\u017eanja&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<h5><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\">Za julijsko Transpektivo smo v okviru mednarodnega dneva draga 2023 intervjuvale_i drag performerko Karmen Da\u0161.\u00a0<\/span><\/h5>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-7421\" src=\"https:\/\/transakcija.si\/old\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/karmen-intervju-manjse-1-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https:\/\/transakcija.si\/old\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/karmen-intervju-manjse-1-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/transakcija.si\/old\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/karmen-intervju-manjse-1-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/transakcija.si\/old\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/karmen-intervju-manjse-1.jpg 862w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><b>Zdravo, Karmen! Prosim, \u010de se na kratko predstavi\u0161.<\/b><b><br \/>\n<\/b><b><br \/>\n<\/b><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Karmen: <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Lepo pozdravljeni, sem ena in edina Karmen Da\u0161. Sem ikona slovenske drag scene, sem so\u010dna, strastna in zelo zelo rada imam drag!<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><b>Ali tvoja (spolna) identiteta vpliva na tvoj drag? Kako sta ali nista ta dva koncepta povezana?<\/b><b><br \/>\n<\/b><b><br \/>\n<\/b><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Karmen: <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Zdi se mi, da moja spolna identiteta sama po sebi ne vpliva na moj drag, vpliva pa moj drag na mojo spolno identiteto. Skozi drag sem mela mo\u017enost globlje odkrivat svojo spolno identiteto in prit do tega, da v bistvu nisem cis. Skozi drag sem odkrivala svoje aspekte femininosti, maskulinosti in tega, kar pa\u010d ne spada v ne eno in ne drugo.<\/span><b><\/b><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><b>Ta teden poteka teden nebinarnosti. Tudi sama se povezuje\u0161 z nebinarno identiteto. A bi lahko ve\u010d povedala o tem?<\/b><b><br \/>\n<\/b><b><br \/>\n<\/b><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Karmen: <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ja, lahko ;).\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Torej, tudi sama, izven draga, se identificiram kot oseba, ki je na nebinarnem spektru, kar pomeni, da se ne identificiram s tem da sem \u017eenska ali mo\u0161ki, ker mi ta dva opisa spola res ne sedeta. Lahko se malo najdem v obeh, ampak v bistvu tud ne. Tko &#8211; \u010de si predstavljamo, da sta to neki dve \u0161katli, lahko stopim v obe \u0161katli, ampak ne morem pa zapret pokrova pri nobeni, ker ne spadam not.<\/span><b><\/b><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><b>Kako se ponavadi s soperformerkami pripravite na nastop?<\/b><b><br \/>\n<\/b><b><br \/>\n<\/b><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Karmen: <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ponavadi smo skupaj v nekem prostoru, vajbamo in se mamo fajn. Ful mi je fino, ker se dostikrat ful nasmejimo. V\u010dasih se dobimo kaj prej, naprimer, \u010de mamo \u0161ov na Koro\u0161kem, gremo skup tja in \u017ee med potjo teambuildamo. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">(To je bla zdaj fantasti\u010dna izku\u0161nja, ko smo \u0161le na Koro\u0161ko &#8211; jaz, Mentalika in Glupa Pupa &#8211; to je blo tako zabavno.)<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ponavadi se skupaj usedemo, ma vsaka svojo ogledalo in se pogovarjamo. Malo osebno, malo tko o dragu, Drag race-u, pride pa tud do tega, da mamo deeper tematike in se pogovarjamo o mentalnem zdravju, svoji spolni identiteti in take stvari. Taki safe space je, kjer se ful udobno po\u010dutim.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Najbolj prijetno mi je z njimi, ko se rihtamo &#8211; ne motijo nas nobene zunanje stvari in smo samo me.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><b>Glede na to, da pravi\u0161, da se pogovarjate tud o spolni identiteti, a bi rekla, da je dosti drugih slovenskih dragic (na tak ali druga\u010den na\u010din) trans? <\/b><b><br \/>\n<\/b><b><br \/>\n<\/b><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Karmen: <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ne bi mogla re\u010dt, \u010de nas je dosti ali ne, ker smo si tako razli\u010dne, je pa res, da nas je kr neki in so tko res fantasti\u010dna bitja! &lt;3<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><b>Kako je biti drag performerka v Sloveniji? (Te\u017eave, sladkosti, vidnost, nevidnost&#8230;)<\/b><b><br \/>\n<\/b><b><br \/>\n<\/b><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Karmen: <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Rada bi izpostavla to, da je odvisno, v katerem bubble-u se giba\u0161, kar se ti\u010de draga. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Meni je na tej sceni fantasti\u010dno bit drag performer, ful fino se je rihtat in potem nastopat, dostikrat pa se sre\u010dujemo z napadi sovra\u017enega govora, ko gremo do in iz prizori\u0161\u010d.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Vidim, da folk ne spo\u0161tuje draga. Da so tako: \u201cAha, ve boste pa \u017ee samoumevno tuki,\u201d in se ne zavedajo, kolko denarja mi vlo\u017eimo v to, da lahko pridemo skozi. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Tolko energije in truda gre zraven, ki se ne ceni in se ne pla\u010da. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u010ce bi lahko, bi jaz \u017eivela od draga &#8211; to bi blo najbolj fantasti\u010dno ever &#8211; ampak ja, folk te ne pla\u010da. Dostikrat ti nekdo pi\u0161e in te vpra\u0161a, \u010de bi nastopala na njihovem eventu in ko vpra\u0161a\u0161, koliko bi pla\u010dali, re\u010dejo: \u201cAja, ne, mi smo misli bol tko, zastojn &#8211; za skupnost\u201d. In na to re\u010dem hvala, ne hvala, ker si tega ne morem privo\u0161\u010dit!\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Jaz mam tud polo\u017enice, ki jih moram pla\u010dat, moram poskrbet za to da lahko pre\u017eivim. Ful mi je zabavno delat drag, res mi je, ne morem pa tega delat zastojn, ali pa za ful malo ke\u0161a. Grem v minus in s \u010dasom in energijo in denarjem.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Rada bi tudi omenila, da ljudje ne vejo o drag sceni dovolj &#8211; dostikrat se nam na \u0161ovih zgodi, da nas kdo \u0161lata, nas seksualizira.\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ob tem \u010dutim patriarhat na lastni ko\u017ei, skozi to prezentacijo femininega draga.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><b>Torej ful \u010duti\u0161 mizoginijo_transmizoginijo?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Karmen: <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Absolutno.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Kje najbolj?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Karmen: <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Najbolj od publike! Publika misli, da smo njihove, da lahko delajo z nami karkoli. They don&#8217;t read us as human beings, ampak se nas samo dotikajo.\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">V\u010dasih kdo pride backstage, kjer jemljejo in posku\u0161ajo na\u0161e lasulje, nam uni\u010dijo obla\u010dila, delajo \u0161e ve\u010djo \u0161kodo.\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Eni pa so samo nesramni &#8211; slovenske dragice \u017eivijo najbolj od prostovoljnih prispevkov in ko prosimo za njih, marsikdo negativno odreagira.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u010cist drugi spekter tega pa je, da publika zna bit res fantasti\u010dna, pridejo, ti zaupajo ful osebne stvari, prosijo za pomo\u010d al pa ti samo pridejo polep\u0161at dan &#8211;\u00a0 in potem sem tko: \u201cbom pa jaz \u0161e tebi ;)\u201d.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Dostikrat se mi zdi, da empoweram svojo publiko. Vsaj trudim se, razen \u010de so nespo\u0161tljivi, pol valda da ne.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><b>V katerih principih bi si po tvoje morala na\u0161a kvir scena vzeti drag skupnost za vzor?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Karmen: <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Mogo\u010de bi si lahko vzeli za vzor to, da si upamo brisat meje, kar se ti\u010de spola in si upamo it ven in bit, en del sebe pokazat navzven.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Sicer no\u010dem, da zveni, kot da mora\u0161 to nardit. Delaj to na na\u010din, kjer se po\u010duti\u0161 varno, varnost je bolj pomembna.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ampak ja, drag scena je tok razli\u010dna, da ne morem izbrat ene stvari.\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Vsaka oseba lahko poi\u0161\u010de vzor pri svojih favoritih oziroma pri vsaki osebi, ki dela drag, lahko najde nekaj, kar si vzame za inspiracijo.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Kateri je bil do zdaj tvoj najljub\u0161i prostor, kjer si nastopala?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Karmen:<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Moji najljub\u0161i prostori so v bistvu bili v tujini, v Berlinu ali pa na Hrva\u0161kem sem se imela ful fino. The venue was big in tudi \u010duti se malo druga\u010dna dinamika kulture oseb in kako reagirajo na tebe.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ampak mislim, bolj mi je bil v\u0161e\u010d venue, ne tok kultura, ker se mam ful fino s Slovenci. \u0160KUC in Tiffany so res super in edini redno nudijo prostor!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kot oseba, ki nastopa \u017ee tko ve\u010d kot 10 let, sem vajena marsi\u010desa, tako da probam ne komplicirat. Mi je pa pomembno, da se poskrbi za ene stvari, kot je varnost &#8211; da \u010de nismo v Ljubljani, \u010de mormo kam it, da se poskrbi, da se lahko nekje same uredimo, da se lahko ta prostor zaklene, da je na\u0161 prostor, da so ogledala, da je osvetljava v redu.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ful ful ful cenim, ko nam venue ponudi tut kak\u0161no pija\u010do, da nas malo razbremeni.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Pomembno je, da je oder narejen za drag, da so lu\u010di nastavljene primerno, pa da deluje bolj klubsko, ker hitro awkward postane, \u010de za\u010dne\u0161 lip syncat v prostoru, ki te spomni na dnevno.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Da pa\u0161e\u0161 v kontekst.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><em>Karmen:<\/em> Ja. Ali pa da se vsaj trudijo en del prostora pripravit, da zgleda kot kontekst.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><b>So prostori, ki so na voljo v Sloveniji, zadostni?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Karmen: <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ja, pa ne. Zadostni so, ker so, ampak vedno je lahko bolj\u0161e in pomembno je, da se skupaj trudimo nardit \u010dim bolj\u0161e okolje za te prostore. In da jih je ve\u010d, ni jih dovolj!<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><b>Kaj so nekateri miti o dragu, ki nikakor nimajo stika z realnostjo?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><i>Karmen: <\/i>To, da nosimo makeup, to ni res!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Take se zbudite.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><i>Karmen: <\/i>Ne, hec na stran. En mit s katerim se sre\u010dujem pri ljudeh, ki ne poznajo draga: po tem, koliko malo vedo o tem, sklepajo, da smo sex workers. Par ljudi se mi je na cesti drlo: \u201cyou, me, sex? I pay.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I do not take offense, sex work is work in mi je pomembno, da se o tem govori! Ni pa to isto kot drag.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">En mit je to, da so osebe, ki delajo drag, ful drama queens. V bistvu je pa kr dosti dragic tko chill. Vse delamo to, ker rabimo in \u017eelimo pozornost, of course, ampak ful smo ene humble.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><b>Kaka zaklju\u010dna misel, \u010de jo ima\u0161?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Karmen: <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Eat the rich. Vse \u017eenske so \u017eenske. Free the nipple. Samo ja pomeni ja.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Drag je umetnost, je aktivizem, je na\u010din izra\u017eanja.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In draga bralka, dragi bralec, prosim vzemi si 5 minut zase in si re\u010di, da se ima\u0161 rad ali rada.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em>Intervju je opravil in uredil Nuka. Hvala, Karmen &lt;3<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Za julijsko Transpektivo smo v okviru mednarodnega dneva draga 2023 intervjuvale_i drag performerko Karmen Da\u0161.\u00a0 Zdravo, Karmen! Prosim, \u010de se na kratko predstavi\u0161. Karmen: Lepo pozdravljeni, sem ena in edina Karmen Da\u0161. Sem ikona slovenske drag scene, sem so\u010dna, strastna in zelo zelo rada imam drag! &nbsp; Ali tvoja (spolna) identiteta vpliva na tvoj drag? 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